Congressmen Talk About Having to Use Their Military Training Inside Capitol Amid Rioting
Rep. Jason Crow (D-Colo.) and Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) spoke with Savannah Guthrie on TODAY Thursday about how the chaos was something they hadn't seen since they both served in Iraq
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As live feeds of the crowd storming the House chamber made its way to screens around the globe, world leaders and every day people voiced horror, shock and sadness at the violence that rocked the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to undermine a peaceful transfer of power.
A pair of congressmen who are military veterans shared their shock over potentially having to use their war zone training on Wednesday when the U.S. Capitol building was stormed by a violent mob of pro-Trump supporters.
Rep. Jason Crow (D-Colo.) and Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) spoke with Savannah Guthrie on TODAY Thursday about how the chaos was something they hadn't seen since they both served in Iraq.
"We both served overseas, we served in combat to meet our enemies outside of the country," Crow said. "That's something we signed on to do. I don't think either of us in a million years ever thought that we would be in the situation as members of Congress on the House floor in the United States Capitol, of having to be in a situation of potentially having to fight our way out."
Crow did three tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan as a U.S. Army Ranger, and Gallagher was deployed twice to Iraq as a U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer.
They were inside the building as a mob stormed through the entrance and broke windows in a scene that forced the evacuation of the Senate and Vice President Mike Pence and left four people dead.
"I never thought I would be having a conversation with my staff about how to barricade the doors and what weapons to use, and whether I could use the Marine Corps sword I have hanging on the walls of my office as a defensive weapon if the mob came, but that's where we were yesterday, and that's a sad day for American democracy," Gallagher said. "And I think Jason and I may have political disagreements, but we are united in our opposition to political violence of any form."
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Capitol police stand with guns drawn near a barricaded door as protesters try to break into the House Chamber at the Capitol, Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump enter the US Capitol’s Rotunda on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump enter the US Capitol’s Rotunda on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump enter the US Capitol’s Rotunda on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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U.S. Capitol police officers take positions as demonstrators enter the U.S. Capitol during a protest in Washington, DC, on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021.
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A protester is seen hanging from the balcony in the Senate Chamber on Jan. 6, 2021 in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump enter the US Capitol’s Rotunda as reported tear gas smoke fills a corridor on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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US Capitol police officers try to stop supporters of US President Donald Trump to enter the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump enter the US Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump roam under the Capitol Rotunda after invading the Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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US Capitol police officers try to stop supporters of US President Donald Trump to enter the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump enter the US Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump confront Capitol police officers enter the US Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump roam under the Capitol Rotunda after invading the Capitol building on January 6, 2021, in Washington, DC. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by Saul LOEB / AFP) (Photo by SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images)
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Police hold back supporters of US President Donald Trump as they gather outside the US Capitol’s Rotunda on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Protesters gather inside the U.S. Capitol Building on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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A supporter of US President Donald Trump sits at a desk after invading the Capitol Building on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump protest in the US Capitol’s Rotunda on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump protest in the US Capitol’s Rotunda on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Capitol police try to hold back protesters outside the east doors to the House side of the Capitol in Washington, DC, Jan. 6, 2021.
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House of Representatives members leave the floor of the House chamber as protesters try to break into the chamber at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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People shelter in the House gallery as protesters try to break into the House Chamber at the Capitol, Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC.
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Supporters of President Donald Trump are confronted by Capitol Police officers outside the Senate Chamber inside the Capitol, Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021 in Washington. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump sit inside the office of US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi as he protest inside the US Capitol in Washington, DC, January 6, 2021. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by SAUL LOEB / AFP)
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A supporter of US President Donald Trump sits inside the office of US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi as he protest inside the US Capitol in Washington, DC, January 6, 2021. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by SAUL LOEB / AFP)
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A supporter of US President Donald Trump sits inside the office of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi as he protest inside the US Capitol in Washington, DC, January 6, 2021. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by SAUL LOEB / AFP)
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Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they gather inside the US Capitol in Washington, DC on January 6, 2021. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by ROBERTO SCHMIDT / AFP)
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Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they gather inside the US Capitol in Washington, DC on January 6, 2021. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by ROBERTO SCHMIDT / AFP)
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Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they gather inside the US Capitol in Washington, DC on January 6, 2021. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by ROBERTO SCHMIDT / AFP)
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump protest inside the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, in Washington, DC. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by ROBERTO SCHMIDT / AFP)
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Supporters of US President Donald Trump protest inside the US Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, DC. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the a 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by ROBERTO SCHMIDT / AFP)
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A Congress staffer holds his hands up while Capitol Police Swat team check everyone in the room as they secure the floor of Trump suporters in Washington, CD on January 6, 2021. – Donald Trump’s supporters stormed a session of Congress held today, January 6, to certify Joe Biden’s election win, triggering unprecedented chaos and violence at the heart of American democracy and accusations the president was attempting a coup. (Photo by Olivier DOULIERY / AFP)
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A Capitol Police Swat team member patrols the US Capitol in Washington, CD on January 6, 2021. – Donald Trump’s supporters stormed a session of Congress held today, January 6, to certify Joe Biden’s election win, triggering unprecedented chaos and violence at the heart of American democracy and accusations the president was attempting a coup. (Photo by Olivier DOULIERY / AFP)
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A members of the U.S. Capitol Police responds to demonstrators at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., U.S. on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021. The U.S. Capitol was placed under lockdown and Vice President Mike Pence left the floor of Congress as hundreds of protesters swarmed past barricades surrounding the building where lawmakers were debating Joe Biden’s victory in the Electoral College. Photographer: Ting Shen/Bloomberg via Getty Images
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Members of the U.S. Capitol Police respond to the demonstrators at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., U.S. on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021. The U.S. Capitol was placed under lockdown and Vice President Mike Pence left the floor of Congress as hundreds of protesters swarmed past barricades surrounding the building where lawmakers were debating Joe Biden’s victory in the Electoral College. Photographer: Ting Shen/Bloomberg via Getty Images
During the chaos, Crow was photographed comforting his colleague, Rep. Susan Wild (D-Pa.), as she laid flat on the floor.
"Susan Wild is a friend, and we were both upset in the moment and comforting each other, which I would hope anybody would do in that situation with a shred of humanity," Crow said.
"I just want to say to my good friend Jason Crow, that image of him was something that really struck me yesterday," Gallagher said.
When Congress reassembled on Wednesday night following the riot, many of Gallagher's Republican colleagues continued with their objections to affirming President-elect Joe Biden's election victory despite the violent scene. Biden's victory was ultimately affirmed early Thursday morning.
"I was astounded that the objectors persisted in objecting after hours of chaos and violence on the Capitol, knowing fully that what they were doing had no chance of success and courting yet again the dangerous outrage that they had stoked earlier in the day," Gallagher said.
As the mob attacked the Capitol, President Trump initially remained quiet before issuing a video on Twitter in which he told his supporters to go home, while also repeating false claims that the election was stolen from him. The video and two subsequent tweets were later taken down by Twitter and his account was locked.
"I think the president was the only person in the moment who could've told the violent mob to stand down, and I think what the objectors failed to realize is that there was a real risk to giving millions of Americans legitimate hope that somehow Congress was gonna overturn the results of the election on Jan. 6, which is of course not Congress's constitutional role," Gallagher said.
Both congressmen hope to move forward after Wednesday's ugly scene but want those involved to be held accountable.
"I want to say that we have to have a reckoning here, we absolutely need to have a reckoning," Crow said. "One needs to happen in the short term in the next couple of days and weeks. The traitors who stormed the capitol need to be tracked down and need to be brought to justice. I think it's really important for the country to see that happen."
"America can survive," Gallagher said. "We must emerge from this stronger, and we need to take a step back from the brink here."
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